Specifying random effect nested under an interaction of fixed effects











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Probably an easy one.



I have data with fixed and random effects I'd like to fit a mixed effects model to:



set.seed(1)

df <- data.frame(group = c(rep("A",40),rep("B",40)),
treatment = rep(c(rep("T",20),rep("CT",20)),2),
class = c(rep("AT1",10),rep("ACT1",10),rep("AT2",10),rep("ACT2",10),rep("BT1",10),rep("BCT1",10),rep("BT2",10),rep("BCT2",10)),
value = rnorm(80),
stringsAsFactors = F)

df$group <- factor(df$group, levels = c("A","B"))
df$treatment <- factor(df$treatment, levels = c("CT","T"))


The fixed effects are group and treatment and the random effect is class, which to my understanding is nested within the group and treatment combinations.



The model I want to fit is:



value ~ group*treatment


Where the effect of interest if the group:treatment interaction.
Of course I want to account for class as a random effect, but I can't seem to find what the syntax for that is. I tried:
(1|group*treatment/class) and (1|group:treatment/class) but both give an error.



Defining a group:treatment column in df:



df <- df %>% dplyr::mutate(group_treatment = paste0(group,"_",treatment))


And fitting:



fit <- lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1|group_treatment/class), data = df)


Does seem to work, but I'm wondering if that's the only way or whether there's a more explicit syntax for such cases of random effect nesting.



Any idea?










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    As far as I know, a fixed effect predictor can't / shouldn't be used at the same time as random intercept. However, if you think that the effect of group on your outcome varies depending on class, than you can specify group and/or treatment as random slopes: lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1 + group*treatment | class), data = df)
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Probably an easy one.



I have data with fixed and random effects I'd like to fit a mixed effects model to:



set.seed(1)

df <- data.frame(group = c(rep("A",40),rep("B",40)),
treatment = rep(c(rep("T",20),rep("CT",20)),2),
class = c(rep("AT1",10),rep("ACT1",10),rep("AT2",10),rep("ACT2",10),rep("BT1",10),rep("BCT1",10),rep("BT2",10),rep("BCT2",10)),
value = rnorm(80),
stringsAsFactors = F)

df$group <- factor(df$group, levels = c("A","B"))
df$treatment <- factor(df$treatment, levels = c("CT","T"))


The fixed effects are group and treatment and the random effect is class, which to my understanding is nested within the group and treatment combinations.



The model I want to fit is:



value ~ group*treatment


Where the effect of interest if the group:treatment interaction.
Of course I want to account for class as a random effect, but I can't seem to find what the syntax for that is. I tried:
(1|group*treatment/class) and (1|group:treatment/class) but both give an error.



Defining a group:treatment column in df:



df <- df %>% dplyr::mutate(group_treatment = paste0(group,"_",treatment))


And fitting:



fit <- lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1|group_treatment/class), data = df)


Does seem to work, but I'm wondering if that's the only way or whether there's a more explicit syntax for such cases of random effect nesting.



Any idea?










share|improve this question




















  • 1




    As far as I know, a fixed effect predictor can't / shouldn't be used at the same time as random intercept. However, if you think that the effect of group on your outcome varies depending on class, than you can specify group and/or treatment as random slopes: lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1 + group*treatment | class), data = df)
    – Daniel
    Nov 23 at 14:26













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Probably an easy one.



I have data with fixed and random effects I'd like to fit a mixed effects model to:



set.seed(1)

df <- data.frame(group = c(rep("A",40),rep("B",40)),
treatment = rep(c(rep("T",20),rep("CT",20)),2),
class = c(rep("AT1",10),rep("ACT1",10),rep("AT2",10),rep("ACT2",10),rep("BT1",10),rep("BCT1",10),rep("BT2",10),rep("BCT2",10)),
value = rnorm(80),
stringsAsFactors = F)

df$group <- factor(df$group, levels = c("A","B"))
df$treatment <- factor(df$treatment, levels = c("CT","T"))


The fixed effects are group and treatment and the random effect is class, which to my understanding is nested within the group and treatment combinations.



The model I want to fit is:



value ~ group*treatment


Where the effect of interest if the group:treatment interaction.
Of course I want to account for class as a random effect, but I can't seem to find what the syntax for that is. I tried:
(1|group*treatment/class) and (1|group:treatment/class) but both give an error.



Defining a group:treatment column in df:



df <- df %>% dplyr::mutate(group_treatment = paste0(group,"_",treatment))


And fitting:



fit <- lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1|group_treatment/class), data = df)


Does seem to work, but I'm wondering if that's the only way or whether there's a more explicit syntax for such cases of random effect nesting.



Any idea?










share|improve this question















Probably an easy one.



I have data with fixed and random effects I'd like to fit a mixed effects model to:



set.seed(1)

df <- data.frame(group = c(rep("A",40),rep("B",40)),
treatment = rep(c(rep("T",20),rep("CT",20)),2),
class = c(rep("AT1",10),rep("ACT1",10),rep("AT2",10),rep("ACT2",10),rep("BT1",10),rep("BCT1",10),rep("BT2",10),rep("BCT2",10)),
value = rnorm(80),
stringsAsFactors = F)

df$group <- factor(df$group, levels = c("A","B"))
df$treatment <- factor(df$treatment, levels = c("CT","T"))


The fixed effects are group and treatment and the random effect is class, which to my understanding is nested within the group and treatment combinations.



The model I want to fit is:



value ~ group*treatment


Where the effect of interest if the group:treatment interaction.
Of course I want to account for class as a random effect, but I can't seem to find what the syntax for that is. I tried:
(1|group*treatment/class) and (1|group:treatment/class) but both give an error.



Defining a group:treatment column in df:



df <- df %>% dplyr::mutate(group_treatment = paste0(group,"_",treatment))


And fitting:



fit <- lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1|group_treatment/class), data = df)


Does seem to work, but I'm wondering if that's the only way or whether there's a more explicit syntax for such cases of random effect nesting.



Any idea?







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    As far as I know, a fixed effect predictor can't / shouldn't be used at the same time as random intercept. However, if you think that the effect of group on your outcome varies depending on class, than you can specify group and/or treatment as random slopes: lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1 + group*treatment | class), data = df)
    – Daniel
    Nov 23 at 14:26














  • 1




    As far as I know, a fixed effect predictor can't / shouldn't be used at the same time as random intercept. However, if you think that the effect of group on your outcome varies depending on class, than you can specify group and/or treatment as random slopes: lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1 + group*treatment | class), data = df)
    – Daniel
    Nov 23 at 14:26








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As far as I know, a fixed effect predictor can't / shouldn't be used at the same time as random intercept. However, if you think that the effect of group on your outcome varies depending on class, than you can specify group and/or treatment as random slopes: lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1 + group*treatment | class), data = df)
– Daniel
Nov 23 at 14:26




As far as I know, a fixed effect predictor can't / shouldn't be used at the same time as random intercept. However, if you think that the effect of group on your outcome varies depending on class, than you can specify group and/or treatment as random slopes: lmer(value ~ group*treatment + (1 + group*treatment | class), data = df)
– Daniel
Nov 23 at 14:26

















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